tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3907440527168314545.post1427299322850295093..comments2023-11-03T05:09:33.978-04:00Comments on Fragments of Grace: Women and OrdinationUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3907440527168314545.post-22548510973758026002011-04-10T17:53:45.890-04:002011-04-10T17:53:45.890-04:00I vividly remember the first time I heard a woman ...I vividly remember the first time I heard a woman preach a sermon from behid a pulpit on a church platform. I was moved to tears for much of the service. I was...about 30. I believe that what is lost is immeasurable. I hope that somday it will be different. I don't know though, espeially in some places/groups. I am feeling very sad about this today.Dorcas (aka SingingOwl)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15626748280614018533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3907440527168314545.post-23800456528896124692011-04-09T20:11:16.030-04:002011-04-09T20:11:16.030-04:00No, it's wonderful Fran, and very informative....No, it's wonderful Fran, and very informative. Thank you!Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01898073277524952683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3907440527168314545.post-51814315279214274582011-04-09T20:02:39.705-04:002011-04-09T20:02:39.705-04:00OK, that is embarrassingly long! Sorry!!OK, that is embarrassingly long! Sorry!!Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3907440527168314545.post-35325406485941781142011-04-09T20:02:14.980-04:002011-04-09T20:02:14.980-04:00Robin, thank you for this post and thank you for d...Robin, thank you for this post and thank you for drawing my attention to it. I have been so preoccupied of late that my blog reading is hit or miss, usually miss. I am so glad to encounter this.<br /><br />As you know, I am a Roman Catholic woman and I do struggle with ordination issues of my own and at large. <br /><br />There is, as one of my professors (himself a priest of Rome) has noted, no real evidence to support ordaining women. (inset long anxious pause here.) Then he follows with... of course, there is no real evidence to support ordaining men either!<br /><br />In this diocese women are very active in every sort of way and the envelope was pushed quite far. These days women have power in every corner, except for on the altar. There are numerous women parish life directors and they are permitted to preach once a month or something like that. <br /><br />I get to preach at evening prayer during Advent and Lent, and while grateful, it is not the same. Ironically, I just finished a homiletics course at my Catholic graduate school. *sigh*<br /><br />Sorry to go on here, you may be regretting my speaking up! In any case, I do not pursue ordination for numerous reasons, one being that I actually am not ready for my <a href="http://thepinkelephant.ca/archives/4187" rel="nofollow">"exodus"</a> moment yet. I am not one, despite my voice, to step out from community with ease, despite injustice.<br /><br />Also, I have issues with the Womenpriest movement as it exists. I need to study futurechurch.org more. <a href="http://people.hofstra.edu/Phyllis_Zagano/" rel="nofollow">Phyllis Zagano</a>, who is about to publish more work about women in the diaconate (she is the author of <a href="http://people.hofstra.edu/Phyllis_Zagano/" rel="nofollow">Holy Saturday</a>) has contacted me in regard to gathering a group of women who feel called to the diaconate. I will let you know what comes of that.<br /><br />Oh gosh, this is so long, but let me just say that Quest for the Living God is an amazing book and that it has been used in two of my grad school classes! The dean of my school is herself a <a href="http://www.csjcarondelet.org/" rel="nofollow">CSJ</a> like Dr. Johnson. It is a great book. The USCCB are being political and trying to make a statement. It backfired.<br /><br />Thanks for this post and I am sorry for the length of the comment. I hope you are feeling better!Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3907440527168314545.post-42503681119409858222011-04-09T13:18:26.384-04:002011-04-09T13:18:26.384-04:00Laura, I so hope that you're right!Laura, I so hope that you're right!Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01898073277524952683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3907440527168314545.post-55420852210973589662011-04-09T13:17:11.772-04:002011-04-09T13:17:11.772-04:00SB, they have missed a most beautiful articulation...SB, they have missed a most beautiful articulation of God among us.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01898073277524952683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3907440527168314545.post-41122152007216700062011-04-09T12:01:46.904-04:002011-04-09T12:01:46.904-04:00I actually have some hope, and am praying hard, th...I actually have some hope, and am praying hard, that in a generation things will look somewhat different, with the ordination of female RC deacons which will allow them to preach, assist as vested clergy at mass, and lead services of baptism, marriage, etc. The church has long known that there is scriptural and historical precedent for this and that there is no theological reason against it--shown by the failure of this pope and the last to ever forbid it in the course of emphatically forbidding sacerdotal and episcopal ordination. B16 issued a mostly ignored document in December that made a big deal of distinguishing between priests and bishops who represent Christ "the head" (and bridegroom) and deacons who don't. Somewhat ironic to say that the humble servants of church and world don't represent Christ as fully, of course...But the upside is that he was most likely saying it to carve out a theological way by which women could receive holy orders as deacons without risking the slippery slope to priesthood that they witnessed in the 70s in the Anglican communion. It wouldn't be full equality, but a huge step in the right direction.Dr. Laura Marie Grimeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10372741914558791844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3907440527168314545.post-34071987289464146702011-04-09T11:56:24.897-04:002011-04-09T11:56:24.897-04:00Robin, what a beautiful post. Thank you. My childh...Robin, what a beautiful post. Thank you. My childhood church does not ordain women. I have often wondered what it would be like for them to hear, for instance, my voice from that pulpit?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08235049965406944684noreply@blogger.com